I ended up in an … interesting? dialogue with “gordan the magnificent” and some others on the Snot Nose Diaries who were outraged by a Boston Globe article about the accidental inclusion of some graphic HIV prevention literature at a gay and lesbian oriented conference in a high school. Geoffrey ended up spewing a few childish insults my way, it was all very fun and exciting, I guess he thought so too cause he even mentioned me by name in his next post.
According to the Boston Globe article, the literature was indented as “an HIV-prevention publication for gay and bisexual men over the age of 18.” It was “put on the table by mistake.” It does not specify if any pamphlets were actually distributed. The audience was high schoolers, possibly including a handful of middle schoolers, in celebration of the 1 year anniversary of the gay marriage decision in massechusetts. I can appreciate the sentiment expressed by rmiles in his wonderfully titled Is fisting ok for your middle schooler? post, but I do think the whole thing has been purposely sensationalized. It seems improbable any Middle school children even noticed the pamphlet. The event was gay and lesbian oriented to begin with. It was made available by a community health organization, not handed out by the state of Massachusetts as rmiles suggests . I think it’s silly to report it as a “socialist” attempt to “indoctrinate your children” to some sort of “deviant” behavior or gay lifestyle , what ever that is.
There’s some horny 18yo gay boys out there that are going to have a lot of sex regardless what anyone says. The information in HIV prevention pamphlets can save their lives. Parents are not a reliable source for information about STDs. The information in HIV prevention pamphlets is the only information many people who need it have access to. Personally I would expect a community health organization to have it and make it available to anyone that needed it. I think the moral thing to do is save lives.
I would think if your kids feel the same way as you about it then they probably wouldn’t be interested in picking up the pamphlet anyway. If they don’t, well you’re possibly causing them some of pain by expressing that viewpoint.
Is the fear that looking at gay material will turn straight children gay? I think that’s silly. I ran across this article about a study linking homosexual arousal to homophobia. I guess this is old news, the study done in 1996, but guys who are homophobic are more likely to get a boner when watching gay porn. The penis does not lie, I guess. I was also comforted to find the study on a religion oriented site. Nice to know we’re not universally hated by Christians.
I also ran across this article about gay men responding differently to male pheromones. Their brain responded the same way as women. Interesting, although I too wonder how much of this might have to do with memory rather than intrinsic physiological differences.
Hey derek…FWIW I agreed with you in the comments over there. So typical…these people are living under a rock. But I guarantee you that their kids are exposed to tons of violence, because that’s “macho”.
My personal view is that 99% of the world’s problems can be traced back to homophobia. Men desperately trying to “announce” their heterosexuality.
Why is the first thing out of a homos mouth when you make him look like a fool always “You must be gay!”?
You fools fantasize about straight guys far too much.
Geoffrey was right. you are an idiot.
How is it possible to fantasize about straight guys too much? There’s nothing wrong with fantasies, or would you seek to limit my thoughts as well…
You sir, are a bigot. You can tell by the dismissive term you use for those you hate.
I hate people who pass out vulgarity to children and I hate people who support it. Who else are you suggesting I hate and what dismissive term are you referring to? Idiot? Yes, I’m a bigot when it comes to Idiots. I’m sorry you feel bad about your inclusion in that category.
I don’t hate, period. No one passed out “vulgarity to children.” Are we reading the same article? Please quote the text from the Boston Globe article where it says pamphlets where passed out. I believe you’ll find all it says is that there were placed on a table by mistake, the “passed out” part and the “by gay activists” part are your own creations. You attempt to make it sound like a bunch a gay activist shoved gay porn at a bunch of middle school kids. That’s the exaggeration part I’m talking about. And once it’s ok to hate, please don’t pretend that there are only two things in the world that you hate, and they just happen to be related to this topic. Hate doesn’t usually stay in one place too long.
Dismissive term being “a homo’s mouth.” I couldn’t care less if you think I’m an idiot. You say “a homo’s mouth” the way you would refer to a dog’s muzzle. I feel that, combined with your blatant misrepresentation of the facts are evidence of your bigotry. When referring to people respectfully you use pronouns like “you” and “your”. When instead you replace with “a homo,” it implies that a homo is not a real person, and therefor can’t be referred to with “you” and “your.”
It was a handout, brought to the event, and given to children. 365Gay reports it as well. The only one that doesn’t is you and other apologists. Your claims that I created it are unfounded. As unfounded as your initial defense, in which you stated the book didn’t exist, then that it was a joke, then that it was created by conservatives to undermine the homo agenda. You’re a liar and a fraud, scrambling to support your cause.
I say “a homo’s mouth” because that’s exactly what it is. A mouth belonging to a homo. If it were a dog’s muzzle that uttered such trash, I would have said “a dog’s muzzle”.
Obviously you have issues with being a homo. Your self loathing seems to be driving you insane. Perhaps you secretly are aroused by women. Come on out of the closet.
that’s great. I haven’t had that good a laugh in a while. The nice thing about being a homo is that you’re generally pretty in touch with your desires and believe me, if I wanted to have sex with a woman, I would. If you check out my comment about gay lifestyle you can see how I feel about it. The only loathing here is not coming from me.
I didn’t see any quoted text?
So, which is it? You’re a closet heterosexual, or no woman would have you so you went to other men no women would have?
You want quoted text? Here’s some of my favorites:
“Recent allegations from the far right on the one year anniversary of same sex marriage about the 2005 GLSEN Boston Conference are categorically untrue. . . Sexually explicit materials of any kind are not permitted at the conference and would be in violation of clearly stated policy. . . We assign monitors to every workshop and event to assure that all policies are strictly enforced. Boston, MA (May 17, 2005)”
“Fenway Community Health expressed regret for accidentally making available HIV prevention materials designed for people over 18 years of age at an April 30 conference attended by middle school and high school-age students, educators, public health workers, college students and others.”
“The brochure is patently wrong — Mass Department of Health, where are you? — when it states that other STDs are dramatically diminished by condom use. The National Institutes of Health reviewed widespread data which showed that there is an absence of convincing epidemiological data that condoms prevent the transmission of herpes, syphilis, chlamydia, human papilloma virus, and chanchroid.
The rates of anal cancer caused by HPV infection are very high and can be fatal. Condoms have not been shown to significantly reduce this risk.
The standard condom is not built to withstand the increased friction associated with anal sodomy. Even with intercourse the slippage and breakage rates approach 10%.
Lastly, the brochure mentions abstaining from risky activity with tongue in cheek (”But how much fun is that?”). They promote “fun” over safety.”
“(Boston, Massachusetts) A Boston AIDS center has apologized after it handed out a graphic safe-sex booklet at a Gay, Lesbian and Straight Educational Network event in a Brookline school.”
Not only did they hand out vulgar propaganda to children, but they lied about it, blamed other people, finally accepted responsibility, then it turns out the information in that pamphlet is possibly deadly.
I’m not the least bit surprised you support it. You’re a fucking moron.
When you quote something it usually good to include the source so that people can verify that you didn’t just make it up yourself, or that the source isn’t religiousfreaksdaily.com or something.
Now I’m even more confused. You quote “Recent allegations from the far right.. “, that’s you, “are categorically untrue…” Hmm. Maybe it’s talking about some other allegation I don’t know about. If I had the source…
You’d think if an actual child got a pamphlet, the conservative media would have been able to find them and interview the parents. What was the child’s name? Were his parents as upset as you?
Thanks for the info about condoms, but abstinence is not an option for me. It does seem incredibly odd to be getting safe sex advice from you though. Silly. Increased friction. If you’re condom breaks 10% of the time you need to get bigger or stronger condoms. Do you use condoms? Should I take my advice about condoms from a straight christian conservative with an alternate agenda that doesn’t even use condoms? I think that would be naive.
I know couples in which one of them is HIV positive and one isn’t. Condoms have successfully prevented him prevented giving HIV to his partner for over 10 years. I can say from personal knowledge, that the spread of HIV is most definitely dramatically reduced through the use of condoms. Anyone that claims otherwise is just ignorant. Certainly they are not perfect or fail-proof, and you have to get people to actually use them if they’re going to help.
I agree with the health organization that had the pamphlets. They should not have been brought to a high school. The info needs to exist. The form of the info could definitely be improved, but it should not have to be ok’d with conservatives that will never use the info. I don’t feel it was a socialist attempt at indoctrinating children.
You quote âRecent allegations from the far right.. â, thatâs you, âare categorically untrueâ¦â Hmm. Maybe itâs talking about some other allegation I donât know about. If I had the sourceâ¦
Oh, so you are spouting off without even reading anything about the topic you are crying about? Typical. Here’s a suggestion: Educate yourself, them come back when you are informed enough to participate in a discussion. I’ll help you along just this once, though. That quote is from the first GLSEN press release. They denied everything until it was verified, then they blamed it on the anti-homo right, then, when that was proven false, they apologized. Funny. That sounds like what you did at Dog Snot before you scurried from the conversation with your tail between your legs.
It does seem incredibly odd to be getting safe sex advice from you though. Silly. Increased friction. If youâre condom breaks 10% of the time you need to get bigger or stronger condoms. Do you use condoms? Should I take my advice about condoms from a straight christian conservative with an alternate agenda that doesnât even use condoms? I think that would be naive.
That’s not my advice. That was a quote from John R. Diggs, MD, a specialist in the field of STDs. You’re right, though. I’m sure you know more about them than he does.
They should not have been brought to a high school. The info needs to exist. The form of the info could definitely be improved, but it should not have to be okâd with conservatives that will never use the info. I donât feel it was a socialist attempt at indoctrinating children.
You go from “conservative plot” to “good pamphlet, bad location”, to “ok, maybe not a great pamphlet, but I’ll still support it”.
You’re a train wreck. You can’t even defend your own argument. You don’t even know the most basic facts surrounding the topic. You contine you whine though. Unfortunately for homos, people like you have the biggest mouths and make things harder for the rest.
You are just a bundle of love and acceptance aren’t you. And I thought you were the one proposing a socialist plot at indoctrinating children. Do you sill think that? It’s not a very good dialogue if you don’t learn and you’re opinions should change as you learn. And it’s ok to admit it. It’s called progress.
Bigots don’t know they’re bigots, this is the thing I have learned from this dialogue.
From the Oxford English Dictionary on the use of the word “zealot”:The key, I believe, is the “intolerance and contempt for those who do not agree.”
Ooops. And now you leave the discussion topic entirely and move right on into ad homs. Fortunately, freaks that think as you do are getting pushed back into the little holes you crawled out of. Keep your vulgarity away from my kids and we might let you back out.
Homos distribute a pamphlet containing vulgar, dangerous, misinformation to kids and you think it’s fine. You cry about not being provided quotes. I provide quotes. You cry about not being provided sources. I provide sources. Now, faced with the undeniable truth, you abandon your argument entirely and sit there sobbing in your leather jock strap.
If feel it would be un-American to allow bigotry to prevent anyone from speaking their mind. It is our obligation to expose bigotry when we find it. I think I’ve done that.
I also think its very divisive to start talking to fellow Americans about shoving them into holes. As if you have any say in that, or had some power to keep me in a hole until I started thinking like you. Please. Get over yourself. As the first commenter noted, you are the one living under a rock. You really should read the interview with Gore Vidal but, I’m thinking its way over your head. Pity that the very problems he talks about are the reason why those that need to comprehend it lack the ability to.
Expose it? You’ve made plenty of accusations, yet you haven’t offered a shred of evidence to “expose” it. You think if you say it enough, people will just accept it to be true. I, on the other hand, find it my duty to expose idiocy when I see it. I’ve provided plenty of evidence that you fit that description.
I don’t have the power to keep you in a hole alone, society does. They’ve made progress towards that end, too. Nutcases who hand out vulgar misinformation to children are the first to go. Supporters are second. You’re on your way out. Obviously, that scares you. It’s why you’ve shown yourself to be a lying apologist.
Yes, I should be afraid, shouldn’t I. Fear! Fear! Fear! Typical. I take it you didn’t read the interview.
Nope. Why should I? It doesn’t pertain to the topic you’ve abandoned, for one, and you’ve already established yourself to be an apologist nutjob.
Back in your hole!
good luck.
It doesn’t take luck. You and nutjobs like you force society to protect their children.